The Norah and Dad Show

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• Norah Hyman and Jon Hyman • Season 2 • Episode 31

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Norah and Dad resolve two huge cliffhangers -- the results of the first rounds of Norah's mock trial competition, and the fate of Freckles the Toad.

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Dad:

Hey Nora,

Norah:

he did.

Dad:

do you know how a toad gets to heaven?

Norah:

It dies.

Dad:

It croaks.

Norah:

I don't get it.

Dad:

You know like when when someone dies, you say they croaked and toad's. Croaked. That's the noise. They make it

Norah:

I didn't know you said that when people

Dad:

Oh, well,

Norah:

I do now.

Dad:

then you didn't, then you didn't get that. You didn't get the tow joke.

Norah:

No, I didn't.

Dad:

what are we talking about this week?

Norah:

we're just gonna give people some.

Dad:

Welcome back to the Nora and Dad Show. I am dad, otherwise known as John, otherwise known as dad, and I am here with my lovely and talented 16 year old daughter. Nora, what's popping Nora?

Norah:

Please don't say what's popping.

Dad:

Why

Norah:

not a fan?

Dad:

not a fan of what he's saying. What's popping?

Norah:

Yeah,

Dad:

what's Kraken?

Norah:

say? Like what's crack lacking? That's more dad

Dad:

What's Kraka? Lackin? What's the faux chisel?

Norah:

Don't say that. please.

Dad:

How are you Nora

Norah:

It's pretty good. Excellent. It's not like zero degrees out, which is cool.

Dad:

Yeah, it was fairly warm today, which is nice. We got to your mom and I got to take the dogs on a nice long walk, which was lovely for everybody cuz they might behave themselves tomorrow now. Um, so

Norah:

in a row. They're gonna

Dad:

yeah, I, I know that's what we do. We walk, we walk the dogs. That's how we get our exercise. It's good for you. You should try it sometime. It's fun.

Norah:

I don't like doing it in winter. I'll happily take the dogs on a walk in the spring, summer and fall, but I can't do the cold.

Dad:

But it wasn't winter today. It was like almost 50 degrees outside. That is almost spring-like weather,

Norah:

But it's still cold weather.

Dad:

still coat weather.

Norah:

Yeah.

Dad:

I'll be, this time tomorrow I'll be in Florida weather, which I am

Norah:

It's mean

Dad:

somewhat excited about and somewhat not

Norah:

not. I'm very antico.

Dad:

why I won't be wearing a coat in.

Norah:

Well, I wish I didn't have to wear a coat in Ohio.

Dad:

Well, you do. As long as you live in my house and it's below freezing, you gotta wear a

Norah:

just inconvenient.

Dad:

What about a coat is inconvenient?

Norah:

It's just something to schlep around during the school day.

Dad:

Put it in your locker

Norah:

what's the point of having it then?

Dad:

because you put it in your locker and then when you need it, you go to your locker and get it. And then you put it on the back of your chair, and then when you're done with it, you go put it back into your.

Norah:

My coat is so long though that it just drags on the floor if I put it on, uh, chair.

Dad:

Okay.

Norah:

I just don't like coats

Dad:

are the floors like super dirty? No. So what's the big

Norah:

they're not clean. And I have a

Dad:

Sure they are.

Norah:

wanna ruin it.

Dad:

Well, you're not gonna ruin it.

Norah:

I don't wanna get dirty.

Dad:

Wear a coat.

Norah:

No.

Dad:

This is your father speaking. Wear a coat. It's wintertime in Cleveland. It's cold.

Norah:

Maybe it should just stop being cold.

Dad:

uh, it will. So here's the way. So

Norah:

I know how weather works, I'm learning about it.

Dad:

days a year, the earth navigates around the sun. And as the earth rotates as well, we get the seasons. And so it is now February, and in about two months, it'll be warm again, and you get like six months of warm weather and then it'll be cold again. And that's how it.

Norah:

It's evil

Dad:

Science,

Norah:

Ecology.

Dad:

ecology, yeah, see it all. It all comes together and explains why in February and Cleveland you should wear a coat. So So we thought, this week since we had promised on our last episode, that we would, we would, solve some cliff hangers for everybody. We would, we would, give everybody the, the updates on said cliffhanger. So we left you with two cliffhanger. Two weeks ago, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna recap in the order in which we are going to resolve said cliffhanger. So cliffhanger number one was the first round district competition of the Ohio High School mock trial where Lake Ridge Academy fielded two teams, the blue team, or team one, and the yellow team in team two. And you are on the.

Norah:

you know,

Dad:

Well, I know, but the listeners don't I'm on the yellow team, Cliffhanger number one was how Lake Ridge fared in the first round of the mock trial competition. And then cliffhanger number two is freckles. The toad, the toad that mom found in the backyard and that you brought inside and adopted, and, made a little.

Norah:

he alive?

Dad:

slash home for. Yeah. And we really couldn't tell when we were recording last week or two weeks ago, freckles was newly in our house and we couldn't really tell whether Freckles was alive or was just sleeping and or hibernating. You did some crack internet research during the show and we thought that freckles, even though, Freckles wasn't moving what he

Norah:

Yeah, you can tell the Gender by their bell. And freckles. Yeah. Dark belly.

Dad:

All right. We will gender freckles. Freckles. That, freckles the male toad that he, um, he wasn't moving, but he might have been sleeping and or hibernating. So we will update everyone on the, the fate of freckles as well. But let's start with mock trial. because, our team had a really, really, really, really good.

Norah:

day. We did awesome on both teams.

Dad:

We kicked so much, but it was almost embarrassing.

Norah:

It was awesome. I love mock trial I love mock trial. It's the best ever.

Dad:

do you want to give like the, the 32nd recap of what the case is about?

Norah:

Okay. There's this delinquent. named Stevie Kahn, and he supposedly put popping candy inside of eggs at the school's alumni breakfast fundraiser, and then was asked questions by the dean of students and the school resource officer, but they were never read their Miranda rights. And it's a suppression hearing, um, trying to determine whether or not the statements Stevie made. Um, both with the SRO and with the dean, if those are liable in court since Stevie wasn't Mirandized. My name's Blair and I'm a junior at the high school that Stevie and I go to and I'm the student body president

Dad:

And And Stevie's academic rival and the source of the information that led the Dean of Students and the SRO to question Stevie Khan.

Norah:

I'm just doing my job

Dad:

Just, there you

Norah:

student body president

Dad:

There you

Norah:

keeping the school safe.

Dad:

So we had, um, two trials between the, or four trials rather, between the two teams. So we, we fielded two teams, a blue team and a yellow team. Each team has a prosecution side and a defense side. So four trials, two teams, and out of the four trials there was. Judges that we saw across the four trials and out of those 11 judges scorecards, our team won 10 out of the 11 scorecards.

Norah:

My trial was the one where we didn't win one

Dad:

yeah, we split your trial. Um,

Norah:

Better to split than to lose.

Dad:

you got it. And there's awards that are given out for best attorney and best witness in each trial. So four trials, so eight possible awards, four best lawyers, and four best witnesses. And now to the eight possible awards, available Lake Ridge one seven. So all in

Norah:

my team that did not win the best Witness award

Dad:

I thought, I thought you got robbed.

Norah:

I did too, but.

Dad:

I, I thought you got robbed. I'm not going to, um, I'm not gonna publicly speak ill of any other team. I just, I thought you got robbed, but, I'm also incredibly, biased in my assessment of things. But, yeah, it was a really, really good day for mock trial. There are, Kids on your mock trial team that are playing the roles of lawyers that are better than a lot of lawyers I've seen in actual court hearings. It's really impressive to

Norah:

They know their stuff.

Dad:

I'm really excited to see how we do in the district round coming up February seven or regionals rather. February 17th is the next round, the regionals. And if we advance there, then we go on to states in Columbus in the middle of March, and then hopefully bring a state championship back to Lake Ridge.

Norah:

I think at least one of our teams will advance, if not both.

Dad:

Um, I think both our teams have an excellent chance in advancing. I mean,

Norah:

I do too, but I think if, if we don't advance, I think it would still, I think still one team would advance.

Dad:

I, I, yeah, I mean I think it's almost a lock that one team advances. I think it, I would, it, it would, if I was betting on, if the bet was no teams, one team or two teams advancing onto states, I would bet, I would bet two teams. And

Norah:

Oh, I would bet

Dad:

I'm biased. I've just been, I've just been watching you guys do this for a long time and, and you all are really, really good at what you do. And. I got to see some of the other teams, including some of the teams that you, that you competed against that advanced, onto the next round as well. And I just, I just think objectively, I think you guys are better. So, uh, my money is on, is on both the lakeridge teams going to states, but that is not in our control. We go, we, we try our case and we do the best we can.

Norah:

Oh,

Dad:

And those chips fall. And those chips fall where they fall. What's that?

Norah:

that? It's so fun.

Dad:

It

Norah:

I wish being a witness was like a real job.

Dad:

If you could be a professional witness,

Norah:

I mean, I could just be an expert witness, but that takes a lot more effort.

Dad:

there are, there, you could be an exp as one way to be a professional witness. The other way is, is just to get sued a lot or sue people a lot. But that's no fun.

Norah:

yeah, it's also expensive. It's an expensive hobby.

Dad:

It's, it is an, it is, yes. Being, being a professional litigant is a, is a very ex, is a very expensive hobby. Yeah. So you could also go to law school and be a.

Norah:

No, but I wanna be a witness. That's the fun part.

Dad:

Okay. The fun part's being the witness. So by the time this podcast comes out on Tuesday, I think we'll have our assignments for, uh, for, uh, regionals by then, or.

Norah:

Are you gonna Zoom? because we'll be in Florida. Are you gonna zoom into our practice?

Dad:

Oh, I don't know. It's a really good question. I'll have to talk to, um, Mr. Patala about how we do that. that is a possibility. It depends on where I am. I'm given a, I'm giving a presentation, Tuesday afternoon. So, it depends on where I am in representation. If I'm presenting at the same time as, what's that?

Norah:

that said? You probably won't be able to be the judge.

Dad:

I will not be able to be the judge for our scrimmage on Tuesday. I might be able to pop in and say hello from, from Fort Lauderdale, but it depends If you practice is the same time as I'm giving my presentation at this conference, I'm going to. So, moving on. Do you wanna give everyone the update on freckles?

Norah:

can I have a drum roll? Freckles is, Very dead

Dad:

He's so dead.

Norah:

He, when we went to check on him after the podcast, his body had already gone into rigor mortis. He was as hard as a rock and very cold and very dead

Dad:

We, we came out of recording two weeks ago, right about this time on a Sunday night. And we were so excited that, we had just talked about freckles and we had this great cliffhanger and how cool it was gonna be to, have the story of, because I was convinced after all your research that freckles was just sleeping and that was not infected dead. And yet wow. He was really dead.

Norah:

his skin was fading in color. His eyes were wide open.

Dad:

He couldn't, he could not have been more dead than he

Norah:

but you know what?

Dad:

He was the most dead towed ever.

Norah:

had a happy 24 hours in our. In next winter we can save another tote if the opportunity comes to us. Cause I have all the materials.

Dad:

he had a happy 24 hours. Was it a, was it a happy 24 hours or a happy 24?

Norah:

He wasn't doing very much hopping, I don't think. He moved once from when we brought him in and then when he passed.

Dad:

Yeah, freckles was, he was not long for this planet. And I mean, you did a nice thing, you, you rescued a toad from the harsh Cleveland. Winter and the vains that are out in the wilderness of our backyard, I guess, and tried to save him. But he really, he, he, he was so dead

Norah:

he would've died sooner if he stayed outside.

Dad:

possibly, possibly. We'll never know. But either

Norah:

got a little extra

Dad:

wasn't gonna change. He got a little, what

Norah:

He got maybe like a little bit of extra time.

Dad:

did he eat? Any of the worms that you.

Norah:

When I rinsed out the container, I did not see any worm. So either they did a really, really good job hiding in the soil or he ate them.

Dad:

Oh, all right, so he had a May. Maybe he had a last.

Norah:

Oh, that's so sad.

Dad:

It's not what I would've picked for my last meal. What would your last meal be? If you, if you knew you were going, this is such a morbid question, but if you knew you were going to die like tomorrow, please don't die tomorrow. Cause I'm gonna make this podcast really awful, but, and other things really awful too. But what would your last meal be if you got to pick your last supper?

Norah:

Lobster, mac and cheese.

Dad:

Okay.

Norah:

Uh, Shirley Temple. Um, raspberries.

Dad:

Okay.

Norah:

And Mitchell's ice cream.

Dad:

Okay.

Norah:

I don't know what flavor that, that would depend on my mood.

Dad:

Hmm. I would go,

Norah:

if I knew I was dying. But

Dad:

I would go um, barbecued ribs with a really nice bottle of red wine and. Yeah, and tiramisu for dessert.

Norah:

What's your favorite?

Dad:

it's my favorite dessert, probably Tiramisu.

Norah:

Really

Dad:

Love a piece of tea. Yep.

Norah:

I like ice

Dad:

Yeah, ice cream is good. Tiramisu ice cream, which I just had also really good.

Norah:

two coffee. E

Dad:

Two coffee, eat.

Norah:

Mm-hmm.

Dad:

Well, I like the coffee e when I was a little child. Um, my grandmother used to feed me coffee. I would sit at her feet on Sunday dinner, we'd go to, uh, grandma and grandpa's house for Sunday dinner, and I would sit at her feet at the dining room table, and she would spoon feed me coffee out of her coffee cup after dinner,

Norah:

How old were you?

Dad:

probably like.

Norah:

I feel like babies aren't supposed to have caffeine.

Dad:

That's what they always said, that they would, the caffeine would stunt my growth. And I'm five seven, so maybe it did. Who knows?

Norah:

Well, I guess we'll never know.

Dad:

that's we'll ne, we'll never know. So I don't have a time machine to go back and not drink the coffee from my grandma.

Norah:

Was it like non

Dad:

the world will never know.

Norah:

Creamer. Coffee.

Dad:

think there was, I was black. I think there was sugar.

Norah:

Okay,

Dad:

I believed there were sugar in it. It was good. I still like coffee, so there you go.

Norah:

go. Yeah. Now you like no sugar,

Dad:

You're black, only black, So, so you think you'll try and rescue another toad next year?

Norah:

I mean, I won't go hunt one out cuz they're better in their natural environment. But if we stumble across one that's struggling, yes.

Dad:

Okay.

Norah:

I don't wanna purposely take one out of its environment if it can live in it.

Dad:

Okay, well, freckles, we hardly knew you. There was no toad resurrection in our house. The Toad religion will have to wait for another time. There will be no toad worship going on. At least not in our house, uh, anytime soon.

Norah:

You know, we didn't wait three days.

Dad:

did he jump outta the garbage cam when you rolled it out for G? For a garbage?

Norah:

I don't know.

Dad:

Okay.

Norah:

I'm just saying we didn't wait for three days.

Dad:

we did not. We did not. Wait, so, so what you're saying is we should have put, we should have put freckles in a cave and then put a little rock in front of it and then moved the rock three days

Norah:

He had a little cave. I, I bought him a little cave. We just need a little rock.

Dad:

So we just should have put freckles in the cave and then put a rock in front of.

Norah:

Yes.

Dad:

And then if we came back in three days and freckles was no longer there, then told Jesus,

Norah:

Yes.

Dad:

okay, well,

Norah:

when I go to college, no one religious listens to this podcast.

Dad:

well I really hope when you go to heaven, you meet freckles, ands, um, so he can say Thank you for trying to do a nice thing for him.

Norah:

oh, that'd be nice.

Dad:

Yeah. May

Norah:

fly high.

Dad:

maybe may, maybe, um, maybe cross some of those Catholic schools or Christian schools off your list. if people are gonna listen to our podcast.

Norah:

John Carroll for me.

Dad:

No. John Carroll? No. Ohio Wesleyan. What else?

Norah:

Oh, are they religious?

Dad:

Yeah, it's a Christian school.

Norah:

Mr. Art didn't tell me that.

Dad:

I believe they're, I believe they're cur, you gotta look it up. But I believe they're, I believe they're Christian of some miscellaneous Christian denomination.

Norah:

If this episode disappears between, uh, fall and spring of 20 23, 20 24, you guys will know why

Dad:

So listen now, download it for posterity.

Norah:

Yep,

Dad:

All right. Anything else you wanna add?

Norah:

Fly high freckles.

Dad:

Bye. Freckles.

Norah:

2023 to 2023.

Dad:

We, hardly knew ya. Yeah. 2023 to 2023.

Norah:

I guess we dunno how old he was. Maybe he was just really old with,

Dad:

can you, can, can you count the rings on his legs? Is that how you tell how old a tote is?

Norah:

I don't know.

Dad:

Ow. all right. Well, freckles of some miscellaneous age and we think a dude, but maybe not. Um, we hardly knew you. Sorry. Um, all right, Nora Marie, where can people find you if they would like more information on you? On the old interwebs?

Norah:

Nora Marie Music. You can find me there.

Dad:

And you have some, uh,

Norah:

I have so many shows

Dad:

gigs coming up. A lot booked for The through the summer, but, uh, March 3rd at Front Street Social in Berea, March 30 at the old wine cellar in Olmstead Falls.

Norah:

these dates better than I do. I could not name these off the top of my head.

Dad:

think that's my, yeah, my memory's like an elephant, I think. I think that's it for the immediate future and then, but I know there's more. If you go to Normy Music and click on the gigs tab, it gives you all the dates and locations for everything that's booked so far through. I think you have dates booked through like July, I think, and more to come. So,

Norah:

yes, many more to come.

Dad:

More to come. You can, uh, find me at John Hyman, find her, um, at Norm Marie Music, and we will be back in two weeks with another episode of the Nora and Dad Show. Everyone have an

Norah:

mock trial update, right?

Dad:

and more mock trial updates to come as we move on to the next

Norah:

Oh yeah. No, that'll be perfect timing.

Dad:

It will be all right everyone. Have a good Fortnite and we'll see you in a, in a couple weeks. Love.

Norah:

you. Love you too.

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